I am trying to add the TomoMote Special 10th Anniversary to the TomoMote Chapters so it can appear in the category list. I appear to be missing something.
I and another are starting to keep a "list" of these recurring minor and often unnamed characters until they become important. Neat.
Before we continue, the image for Natsu is not showing up. It shows up if I add it to a character's gallery or article. So I am not sure what is wrong. Figured I might as well ask before adding a bunch of real characters without pictures!
Not sure the nature of this one's "sickness"--and I do not really care--but sometimes vandals start thread/article titles so they will show up on searches. Anyways, I will not bother doing that in the future.
Re-Edited Below: This is NOT a Request to Settle a Dispute!
. . . just want some input.
Re-reading it, I think what I wrote could give the impression this request to settle a dispute so I have completely edited this.
I just want some input on deciding what are and are not legitimate character titles in the Info Box.
Another user spent a night adding Character Navigation to character pages--nice!--and also character titles.
Looking over I happened to catch a few that seems "questionable": such as Akari as "Dick Sister Junior" or Katō as "Class Mom" Yuri as "Plane Jane with yandere tendencies."
We sort of wonder what is and is not a legitimate title. For example, should all students be "Students?"
I would agree with him that Tomoko is "mojyo" and "Queen" given the first is her literal "booking card" in the anime opening titles, and "Queen" is something a bunch of card playing kids call her, even though no one else does. I would not include "The Dark Lady" she calls herself in just one chapter's fantasy.
Cool!
Do we extend HER inner nicknames and slurs so Akari and Kotomi become "Dick Sisters?" No one else knows them as that. However, for a number of chapters Ucchi was only known as "Emoji," and I think other characters recognized that.
"title" doesn't seem like the right term to use, probably "nickname" would be better.
And a nickname is really something more than one persons uses, so the inner ones could be added as necessary in the article or trivia section but not the infobox.
Thanks for the reply. I agree with "Title" being, well, a "title" like "Student," "Teacher," or "Parent." For WataMote, that is pretty much what you are going to get--there is no "Grand Inquisitor of the Holy See" so far!
There are some Wiki that simply add a "nickname" spot to the infoboxes of characters, and those are sort of accepted and understood nicknames used by the character, other characters, blah . . . blah. Say if there was a "Cool Hand Luke" Wiki, you would have "Lucas Jackson" with a nickname "Cool Hand Luke," and "Dragline," "Society Red" . . . blah . . . blah.
I am a bit loath to alter infoboxes on my own or certainly tell another editor to do that. So to use Ucchi as an example:
Perhaps she should have a "Nickname"--say under "Title"--section for "Emoji" which, I think, was used enough in chapters to be a "nickname."
For Mako, who I think meets your criteria for "the inner ones," I think that is best in the "Trivia": "Tomoko refers to her as 'Lesbo' because in Chapter blah . . . blah . . . yadda . . . yadda." That also works for Akari and Kotomi ala "Dick Sisters" and the like.
I added "Little Fanged Bitch" to Koharu Minami's Title, now re-reading your reply above, thought better of it and removed it. There are characters like Tomoko, Kotomi, and now Hina Nemoto who have nicknames they use. Then there are the "Inward" ones that only Tomoko uses save for Ucchi who is, well, "Emoji" ^^,
Anyways, if you want to add a "Nickname" section to the Infobox that might be a good thing for shared nicknames that readers encounter in both the English and Japanese.
Sorry, I messed up character identification which another reader/editor discovered:
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is NOT Miyazaki.
In my infinite stupidity, I seemed to have mixed her up with Asuka Katō. I will correct the mistake in chapter summaries, but to avoid future confusion should anyone search for "Miyazaki"'s picture they will get Katō.
I rather think you add information as it is revealed. Given that WataMote purposely reveals information over time--like names of characters such as this--then you update the information when new information becomes available.
The other individual seems to disagree.
Despite his protest, he has not opened a discussion in either Talk or her article Commentary for some reason.
But not info that is irrelevant to the subject, most of what are written in the personality section tell nothing about the character itself and you can't possibly think that having "maybe" and "if" written all over the article are not fan speculation/assumption.
Even the relationship is made up of fan speculation while offer nothing substantial between the characters themself. Having the info/fact doesn't make it necessarily ok to dump them everywhere.
Despite his protest, he has not opened a discussion in either Talk or her article Commentary for some reason.
Most curious that.
Whilst his mischaracterization of the information posted would prove merely irresponsible if the continued active refusal to demonstrate the error in any of it did not expose it as dishonest.
First, once a page has been reverted 3 times it's edit warring and should have stopped, but you both continued 10 more times after that.
We should not have speculation in articles, that's what talk pages, comments and forums are for. Other than the first sentence nothing else has to do with personality. An "Overview" header could be added, though I'm not sure how much descriptive content there is for it.
side note: the "Appearance" header is for what the character looks like, whereas manga and anime "Appearances" would be sub-header under Trivia.
Sxerks wrote: *First, once a page has been reverted 3 times it's edit warring and should have stopped, but you both continued 10 more times after that.
Which is why I requested your opinion after the second time the individual reverted without cause. He refused to discuss the matter in either Talk or in Comment.
Sxerks wrote:
We should not have speculation in articles, that's what talk pages, comments and forums are for. Other than the first sentence nothing else has to do with personality.
This proves rather incorrect, to whit--with apologies for the Wall of Text:
None of the main characters seem to know her, and it is only in chapter 128 that Itō reveals that she sits next to Futaki.
Explains why, until the most recent chapter, little was known of her personality. It is rather significant that Itō sits next to her, yet the two never interact, especially given Futaki's behavior in chapter 128. WHY Futaki does that is, I would agree at this stage, "speculation."
You may disagree with that and further contend that:
Ucchi may know her in that she becomes upset that Futaki ends up in Tomoko's class when she does not. This may just be Ucchi's frustration over someone else being in the class rather than direct anger at Futaki. She may be a cheerleader since Tomoki sees her practicing full splits near the shoe lockers. However, she did not appear as a cheerleader in previous chapters where, for example, Ucchi cheered.
does not convey personality, but then that would at least prove a topic of discussion which is rather the point.
On the contrary, the fact that she feels perfectly free to practice full splits in a shoe locker-room demonstrates she is not shy and engages in an activity such as cheerleading and/or gynmastics, both of which are all activities that require social interaction. As noted above, further information may change that. We may learn inthe next chapter that she is actually a champion kick-boxer, a noted assassin--hence her shotting accumen--and secretly believes she is "a small village in Lincolnshire with a majestic view of the Neen Valley." Then her article would be updated accordingly.
To continue:
As with all things WataMote, details trickle in. She is not a loner;
is clearly about her personality. The fact she tours the park with three--as yet unnamed--boys, freely walks up to Itō, et cetera, reveals a lot about her personality in contradistinction to, say, Tomoko or even Ucchi.
Again, you may disagree, but at least you have given reasons rather than a blanket dismissal.
Sxerks wrote: An "Overview" header could be added, though I'm not sure how much descriptive content there is for it.
That might prove a good solution, actually. The problem--and charm of WataMote--is details of characters usually do come out all at once, and the characters grow over time. In Futaki's case, little was known about her other than she has an "emoji-face."
It may be best to simply admit that, currently, little is known, state the facts in an Overview as you suggest, and leave it at that. As new information comes in, like a first name, that she has a boyfriend or runs a leper colony or whathaveyou, that section can be updated/changed/or even scraped.
Again, apologies for the bother--it is never fun to walk into a room of screaming children with porridge and parts of the family pet spread all over the walls and sort out what happened!
I am happy to alter that section under a "character overview."
Figured I would move it to your wall since you were kind enough to reply:
Thanks, this is going to seem like a stupid question, but those are scans from the actual releases rather than something posted online? The reason I ask is the dates at the end for the next issue suggest reversal and pretty much every "fan sub" changes those chapter marks.
Unfortunately, I cannot confirm the last pages of each in Japanese--my Google-Fu is weak on that point.
Wondering if it was a weird thing where the[y-Ed.] were either published out of order or bound out of order.
Thanks!
I do not have a "dog in the fight"--just interested in accuracy. I will just add that I suppose "fan scans" may have altered the ending dates and details as well. Why, who knows?
the numbers listed on in the Japanese volume would be accurate. Something must have happened with the fan versions in order to get conflicting numbers.
Hello!! I have a suggestion. Can there be a spoiler warning sign on this wiki? I think it would be good for those who come to the wiki for some introduction about the series. They can be put at character history and episode pages.
There is one on Tomoko Kuroki as a {{Spoiler}} tag before the table of contents. Add it to any necessary character pages. It wouldn't be really useful on an episode page though, since they are in order, and anyone reading them would expect spoiler info.
Thank you for replying!! And yeah, you are right, episode pages wont need them. I will add the Spoiler tag to the character pages when I edit. Thanks again!!
Oh, and there is one more thing. I am thinking of restructuring the character pages in a structure similar to the Tomoko Kuroki page. But, is the detailed appearance of a character in every chapter necessary to be added? Viewers could instead check out the chapters page, which will be linked in the appearance section.